Yes, this is my homework. And yes, I have already looked all over the internet trying to find the answer.
Does anyone know?How do scientists guard against false data?
Key phrase:
Repeatability = Reliability
The best safe guard against false data is to do the experiment yourself.
If you follow the same procedure they followed and you get the same, or similar, results, then the data is probably correct.
If you get results that are completely different, then the data was probably falsified.
This is why the scientists who claimed to have discovered cold fusion back in the 70s was called a fraud; no one could repeat his experiment.How do scientists guard against false data?
It's a matter of integrity and presentation to their peers for peer review and criticism. They submit their research in journals to be inspected by other equally knowlegable scientist who may try to do the same research and either support or refute the original paper.
Thursday, February 11, 2010
If a police officer makes false statements on a police report, is it possible to get his report dismissed?
Any help would be helpful here. I don't have enough money to hire an attorney, and I hear court appointed attorney's don't really offer much help. So can the report be dismissed for making false statements, and if so would you know any of the court cases were this actually happened?If a police officer makes false statements on a police report, is it possible to get his report dismissed?
If you have some sort of proof, then MAYBE. Merely saying the statement is false, is not proof. They know you thinks it false, thats why you plead not guilty. You would need some irrefutable proof that the statements made by the officer where false, and not clerical error false, knowingly perjury false. Then the charges MIGHT be dismissed, depending on the other evidence and nature of charges.
Having the report dismissed may be irrelevant, anyway. All a report is is the statement of what happened. They may have other evidence that links you to whatever the charge is.If a police officer makes false statements on a police report, is it possible to get his report dismissed?
Reports are not stand alone items that are used as evidence.
Reports are nothing more than an officer's records of the event. The statements on the report mean nothing in court as the officer would have take the stand to testify. It's at that point that an attorney would ask questions of the officer and show that his testimony contradicts his report. If his testimony is a lie, it would be up to your attorney to ferret that out and prove he is making false statements in his testimony.
So in short, the report is only there to give the DA a recap of the events that took place.
And for those that think we lie, get real. If any officer was ever caught perjuring himself in court, their career would be over right then and there. No testimony would ever go without be scrutinized and questioned again, and no jury would ever believe you again. We have no reason to lie. If the scumbag gets away with it, so what? He's a scumbag, we'll get him later on another crime.
By the way research has shown the thetre is no significance difference between private attorneys and public defenders so if your case is not a big one I would not borther about hiring a attorney.
As for the false report, tell the public defender about it or just file a complaint with the police department. Internal Affairs would investigate.
Among Police Officers there is a saying '; You Lie, You Die';, meaning if you lie on the job the department will fire you
because if that same officer was to testify in court and the defense attorney finds out about his lie, his testimony will be thrown out.
Roy
It depends on the error on the police report. If it makes the situation void, it would be dismissed, but it's your word against his, and likely the court is going to side with the officer. If he simply made a clerical error or forgot to write something down, hey, we are all human, and it would be thought of as such.
I doubt it. Most police officers are trained on how to ';Testilie'; instead of ';Testify';. It makes convictions much easier for them to obtain in court.
They know what they are doing and are very good at it.
If you have some sort of proof, then MAYBE. Merely saying the statement is false, is not proof. They know you thinks it false, thats why you plead not guilty. You would need some irrefutable proof that the statements made by the officer where false, and not clerical error false, knowingly perjury false. Then the charges MIGHT be dismissed, depending on the other evidence and nature of charges.
Having the report dismissed may be irrelevant, anyway. All a report is is the statement of what happened. They may have other evidence that links you to whatever the charge is.If a police officer makes false statements on a police report, is it possible to get his report dismissed?
Reports are not stand alone items that are used as evidence.
Reports are nothing more than an officer's records of the event. The statements on the report mean nothing in court as the officer would have take the stand to testify. It's at that point that an attorney would ask questions of the officer and show that his testimony contradicts his report. If his testimony is a lie, it would be up to your attorney to ferret that out and prove he is making false statements in his testimony.
So in short, the report is only there to give the DA a recap of the events that took place.
And for those that think we lie, get real. If any officer was ever caught perjuring himself in court, their career would be over right then and there. No testimony would ever go without be scrutinized and questioned again, and no jury would ever believe you again. We have no reason to lie. If the scumbag gets away with it, so what? He's a scumbag, we'll get him later on another crime.
By the way research has shown the thetre is no significance difference between private attorneys and public defenders so if your case is not a big one I would not borther about hiring a attorney.
As for the false report, tell the public defender about it or just file a complaint with the police department. Internal Affairs would investigate.
Among Police Officers there is a saying '; You Lie, You Die';, meaning if you lie on the job the department will fire you
because if that same officer was to testify in court and the defense attorney finds out about his lie, his testimony will be thrown out.
Roy
It depends on the error on the police report. If it makes the situation void, it would be dismissed, but it's your word against his, and likely the court is going to side with the officer. If he simply made a clerical error or forgot to write something down, hey, we are all human, and it would be thought of as such.
I doubt it. Most police officers are trained on how to ';Testilie'; instead of ';Testify';. It makes convictions much easier for them to obtain in court.
They know what they are doing and are very good at it.
How can I remain living in a home rented to me under false pretenses and is now owned by the bank?
The house was foreclosed and now the bank owns it and I have to move in 2 weeks. I am not the original owner but the place was rented to me.How can I remain living in a home rented to me under false pretenses and is now owned by the bank?
No, you have to leave. The bank can not be a landlord.
Foreclosure nullifies all leases.How can I remain living in a home rented to me under false pretenses and is now owned by the bank?
Typically the note the mortgagor signs with the bank provides clauses that will supersede a lease agreement. Most banks do not want to be landlords but there are occasions where they will enlist a property management company to act as their holder for you to buy on a contract for deed (lease option) if you yourself do not qualify to buy the home through a Realtor from the REO or bank owned property division- a Realtor in your area maybe able to tell you if such potential is available. Unfortunately your current course of action is a civil suit against the landlord for breach of contract. It is rare for a bank to utilize property management but not impossible- a company in Florida called DSD homes is one such instance where this technique is working.
Legally, you must move in two weeks.
In reality, you can stay there until the sheriff's force you out. People where I live (Southern Calif.) are remaining in foreclosed homes, rent free, for six months and more following foreclosure, because that's how long it takes for banks to get all the necessary paperwork processed.
Just what is your question?
Foreclosure voids any lease you may have. You can ask the bank for more time, or whether they would consider renting the home to you with a new lease. Sometimes they will pay your moving costs because they aren't giving much notice. May is an excellent time to find other housing.
NOt unless you are able to work something out with the bank to either purchase it. Most banks are not wanting renters. They want the house empty so they can sell it.
So sorry you're in this position. It's happening to many people unfortunately.
Ask them if you can buy it. You may get a deal if you are saving them the expense of a Realtor and the time to market the property.
sorry but you have to move when the lease runs out or the new owner gives you notice.
ask the bank to sell it to you
You don't. You have to leave. NOW!
No, you have to leave. The bank can not be a landlord.
Foreclosure nullifies all leases.How can I remain living in a home rented to me under false pretenses and is now owned by the bank?
Typically the note the mortgagor signs with the bank provides clauses that will supersede a lease agreement. Most banks do not want to be landlords but there are occasions where they will enlist a property management company to act as their holder for you to buy on a contract for deed (lease option) if you yourself do not qualify to buy the home through a Realtor from the REO or bank owned property division- a Realtor in your area maybe able to tell you if such potential is available. Unfortunately your current course of action is a civil suit against the landlord for breach of contract. It is rare for a bank to utilize property management but not impossible- a company in Florida called DSD homes is one such instance where this technique is working.
Legally, you must move in two weeks.
In reality, you can stay there until the sheriff's force you out. People where I live (Southern Calif.) are remaining in foreclosed homes, rent free, for six months and more following foreclosure, because that's how long it takes for banks to get all the necessary paperwork processed.
Just what is your question?
Foreclosure voids any lease you may have. You can ask the bank for more time, or whether they would consider renting the home to you with a new lease. Sometimes they will pay your moving costs because they aren't giving much notice. May is an excellent time to find other housing.
NOt unless you are able to work something out with the bank to either purchase it. Most banks are not wanting renters. They want the house empty so they can sell it.
So sorry you're in this position. It's happening to many people unfortunately.
Ask them if you can buy it. You may get a deal if you are saving them the expense of a Realtor and the time to market the property.
sorry but you have to move when the lease runs out or the new owner gives you notice.
ask the bank to sell it to you
You don't. You have to leave. NOW!
Real Estate Broker made a false report to the commission about me?
My busines partner and Broker made a false report to the Real Estate Commission about me as an excuse to take over my business and drop my license. I have proof that everything he said was false and the commission agrees. Can I sue him for making a false report or should I just make a complaint to the board.Real Estate Broker made a false report to the commission about me?
In reality very few cases are decided on a 100% right or wrong basis. Talk realistically to a lawyer to determine what., if any, fault lies on your end of the dispute. Any judgement that assigns 100% fault usually loses on appeal and can be sent back to the lower court for rejudgement. If you aready for the stress and aggravation of lawyers and Judges, go for it and good luck.Real Estate Broker made a false report to the commission about me?
You can probably do both. Consult a lawyer. You can't rely on information you get here for such a situation.
UM, why not both? I mean he bought upon stress and made false accusations about you!!!! Am I right!!! Isn't that known as Defamatory of a person? Esp., that you have proof!! That works better in any case. It makes it much easier to prove instead of the he/said, she/said. You should consult an attorney! And I hope that you have cut all business ties with him. If he did this out of greed, I can't imagine what he would do with your joint accounts!! Good luck!!
In reality very few cases are decided on a 100% right or wrong basis. Talk realistically to a lawyer to determine what., if any, fault lies on your end of the dispute. Any judgement that assigns 100% fault usually loses on appeal and can be sent back to the lower court for rejudgement. If you aready for the stress and aggravation of lawyers and Judges, go for it and good luck.Real Estate Broker made a false report to the commission about me?
You can probably do both. Consult a lawyer. You can't rely on information you get here for such a situation.
UM, why not both? I mean he bought upon stress and made false accusations about you!!!! Am I right!!! Isn't that known as Defamatory of a person? Esp., that you have proof!! That works better in any case. It makes it much easier to prove instead of the he/said, she/said. You should consult an attorney! And I hope that you have cut all business ties with him. If he did this out of greed, I can't imagine what he would do with your joint accounts!! Good luck!!
If a premise is considered false is the question worthless?
I have asked quite a few questions and have gotten quite a few answers, but one thing that I can almost always bet on is someone saying that my premise is false and therefore my question is worthless.
But I ask, if the premise is not understood by someone, if the person being asked is too ignorant or arrogant to understand the question, does this suddenly invalidate the question?
The answer must be no, since all things are relative to all people, right? Just because it is not true to one does not mean that it is not true to all, right?
And as such should these who say such things keep this in mind and remain silent, instead of tearing others down?
P.S. I am only talking of non-true/false questions, ones that do not have one single answer. I.E. Is the earth a sphere? Yes. There is no other answer because the earth is a sphere. So do not answer with a comment about some questions having a single answer.
Serious answers only please.
Thanks.If a premise is considered false is the question worthless?
Your point is well taken and expressed with the passion of your conviction. Someone else's opinion or thought about your question has no barring on the validity or substance of the question. If the premise, in your writing, is that which you believe to be accurate then it is a matter of opinion not validation. For someone to say that your premise is worthless is rather cavalier on their part. In short, they probable missed the point entirely.If a premise is considered false is the question worthless?
If a tree falls and nobody hears it, does the tree make a noise?
PS. The earth is an oblate spheroid, not a sphere.
Commonsensically, if your question hinges on the premise being true, then its being false makes a question worthless.
The prototypical example of loaded questions is ';when did you stop beating your wife?';.
I don't recognize your screenname, but there are way too many people here who don't ask real questions, but merely do a rant while smirking about how clever they are, and how dumb everyone else is.
You are requesting viewpoints other than your own. From their viewpoint, the premise was false. Given that, it would be deceitful of them to answer any other way. So decide which you want from those people, a truthful answer that may not agree with your own expectations, or a deceitful answer that does. The truthful answer is potentially educational, while the deceitful answer is just an ego stroke.
Well it'd be your mind creating the situation that allowed yourself to be torn down in such a case. If all things are relative as you said then so is your ability to be affected by others. Your truth's are your own and that's all that matters, why it's even being put to others for judgement is curious to me. Regardless, everyone has the right to answer any question, with conformity of only responding a certain way to answers, for example accepting only good answers, we'd lack the diversity that stimulates creativity, and in conformity you're pointing towards an ending instead of a continuing of creation. Thus you'll find it more of a growing process to roll with the punches and constructive criticism to make yourself a better person rather than thinking of letting it effect you. You'll find this to be true when you look deep in your heart. Good question.
the easiest way to shoot down an argument that you don't like is to claim false premises. As always in Philosophy we must separate truth and belief as we must separate ethics and values. It is incumbent on anyone claiming false premises to state the foundation, or argument for such a claim. Simply claiming false premise is not enough. Its a because I said so argument. Take the argument that marijuana should be illegal because the dangers associated with organized crime in the trade. The problem doesn't lie in the fact that it can be shown that organized crime is involved but with the fact that if the substance was made legal the purveyors wouldn't be criminals and I believe an organized band of merchants is called a chamber of commerce not a criminal gang.
The argument from religion falls prey to a similar flaw ie. its gods will. The fact that something is God's will alone does not prove that it is a valid premise. You must always argue from a rational base and cover your as$. Philosophy is a blood-sport.
About relativity, don't fall prey to I'm OK you're OK, Not all things are relative. How you feel about Picasso is relative, whether its OK to knock your granny over the head and take her money is not. So be careful when you chock something up to a difference of opinion. It may cost your granny her bingo money and a goose egg on her noggin'.
I am very inclined to ask what you mean by 'worthless' here. e.g. Moral worth or worthy of asking a question to some end or etc. I suppose you mean worthless in a sense that if a premise is false, the question becomes invalidated.
I do not think you are seriously referring to a non-cognitive use of a proposition here: that is a command, expression or a genuine question like ';what day is today?'; Non-cognitive use is neither true nor false. I think you are referring to a cognitive use of a proposition stated in a question form like ';don't you think it is wrong to kill a person?'; which is just another way of saying ';it is wrong to kill a person.'; Now it is either true or false.
Truth or falsity occurs when a proposition (sometimes called a statement) refers to something. If it correctly refers to something, it is true and if it doesn't, it is false. Concerning your question of if all things are relative to all people, (although I am not certain as to what you mean by that), if a statement is not about a person you are talking to (e.g. Weight of Earth), whether or not the person understands it or not has nothing to do with the weight of earth. I do not think all tihngs are relative to all people. It depends because if a statement is about someone and that someone disagrees with the statement, perhaps such a statement may be relative to the user of a statement.
You are at least right in saying that the answer must be no. Let's say you talk to a baby and ask a question. ';What is your opinion on the quantum physics?'; Obviously, the baby will not answer that question; but that doesn't make the question worthless. It's just that it has to be asked to a right person.
No, if nothing else it opens up the possibility of more questions, more ideas. Whos knows what can come from one single premise.myspaces.com
But I ask, if the premise is not understood by someone, if the person being asked is too ignorant or arrogant to understand the question, does this suddenly invalidate the question?
The answer must be no, since all things are relative to all people, right? Just because it is not true to one does not mean that it is not true to all, right?
And as such should these who say such things keep this in mind and remain silent, instead of tearing others down?
P.S. I am only talking of non-true/false questions, ones that do not have one single answer. I.E. Is the earth a sphere? Yes. There is no other answer because the earth is a sphere. So do not answer with a comment about some questions having a single answer.
Serious answers only please.
Thanks.If a premise is considered false is the question worthless?
Your point is well taken and expressed with the passion of your conviction. Someone else's opinion or thought about your question has no barring on the validity or substance of the question. If the premise, in your writing, is that which you believe to be accurate then it is a matter of opinion not validation. For someone to say that your premise is worthless is rather cavalier on their part. In short, they probable missed the point entirely.If a premise is considered false is the question worthless?
If a tree falls and nobody hears it, does the tree make a noise?
PS. The earth is an oblate spheroid, not a sphere.
Commonsensically, if your question hinges on the premise being true, then its being false makes a question worthless.
The prototypical example of loaded questions is ';when did you stop beating your wife?';.
I don't recognize your screenname, but there are way too many people here who don't ask real questions, but merely do a rant while smirking about how clever they are, and how dumb everyone else is.
You are requesting viewpoints other than your own. From their viewpoint, the premise was false. Given that, it would be deceitful of them to answer any other way. So decide which you want from those people, a truthful answer that may not agree with your own expectations, or a deceitful answer that does. The truthful answer is potentially educational, while the deceitful answer is just an ego stroke.
Well it'd be your mind creating the situation that allowed yourself to be torn down in such a case. If all things are relative as you said then so is your ability to be affected by others. Your truth's are your own and that's all that matters, why it's even being put to others for judgement is curious to me. Regardless, everyone has the right to answer any question, with conformity of only responding a certain way to answers, for example accepting only good answers, we'd lack the diversity that stimulates creativity, and in conformity you're pointing towards an ending instead of a continuing of creation. Thus you'll find it more of a growing process to roll with the punches and constructive criticism to make yourself a better person rather than thinking of letting it effect you. You'll find this to be true when you look deep in your heart. Good question.
the easiest way to shoot down an argument that you don't like is to claim false premises. As always in Philosophy we must separate truth and belief as we must separate ethics and values. It is incumbent on anyone claiming false premises to state the foundation, or argument for such a claim. Simply claiming false premise is not enough. Its a because I said so argument. Take the argument that marijuana should be illegal because the dangers associated with organized crime in the trade. The problem doesn't lie in the fact that it can be shown that organized crime is involved but with the fact that if the substance was made legal the purveyors wouldn't be criminals and I believe an organized band of merchants is called a chamber of commerce not a criminal gang.
The argument from religion falls prey to a similar flaw ie. its gods will. The fact that something is God's will alone does not prove that it is a valid premise. You must always argue from a rational base and cover your as$. Philosophy is a blood-sport.
About relativity, don't fall prey to I'm OK you're OK, Not all things are relative. How you feel about Picasso is relative, whether its OK to knock your granny over the head and take her money is not. So be careful when you chock something up to a difference of opinion. It may cost your granny her bingo money and a goose egg on her noggin'.
I am very inclined to ask what you mean by 'worthless' here. e.g. Moral worth or worthy of asking a question to some end or etc. I suppose you mean worthless in a sense that if a premise is false, the question becomes invalidated.
I do not think you are seriously referring to a non-cognitive use of a proposition here: that is a command, expression or a genuine question like ';what day is today?'; Non-cognitive use is neither true nor false. I think you are referring to a cognitive use of a proposition stated in a question form like ';don't you think it is wrong to kill a person?'; which is just another way of saying ';it is wrong to kill a person.'; Now it is either true or false.
Truth or falsity occurs when a proposition (sometimes called a statement) refers to something. If it correctly refers to something, it is true and if it doesn't, it is false. Concerning your question of if all things are relative to all people, (although I am not certain as to what you mean by that), if a statement is not about a person you are talking to (e.g. Weight of Earth), whether or not the person understands it or not has nothing to do with the weight of earth. I do not think all tihngs are relative to all people. It depends because if a statement is about someone and that someone disagrees with the statement, perhaps such a statement may be relative to the user of a statement.
You are at least right in saying that the answer must be no. Let's say you talk to a baby and ask a question. ';What is your opinion on the quantum physics?'; Obviously, the baby will not answer that question; but that doesn't make the question worthless. It's just that it has to be asked to a right person.
No, if nothing else it opens up the possibility of more questions, more ideas. Whos knows what can come from one single premise.
How do I put a false ceiling up?
How would I put a false ceilng up, and how would I put sunk in lights in it.How do I put a false ceiling up?
first and foremost you need a stud finder and some chalk line .
you need to mark out your rafters they are not always the same they tend to move around during construction .
you have about one inch to one and a half inch border around the top of your walls to fasten the drywall to. its important that you marl all of this off be for you start.
decide how low you want your drop ceiling to go and mark it off .
and tack up the bordering to the studs .
you need to mark off were you want your lights to go . allot of people start in one corner me i prefer to start in the middle but this takes allot of measurements and you have to make sure all of your lines flow .
now depending on the size of tiles you are going to use will determine were you hang your wire
you will need allot of wire so buy a big spool it is cheeper this way .
now you need to cut the wire long enough to have some left over . you can always cut off but cant add to .
hang all of the wire from the ceiling rafters then you can hang the spine .
on the spine it is important that it is in uniform so it is a good idea to have a piece of wood to use as a guild .
now the area between the spines you might have to alter unless it comes pre cut .
for future notice if you ever decide to paint the ceiling you need to paint both sides as it will bow if you only paint oneHow do I put a false ceiling up?
In a nutshell...
Start by going around the perimeter with an ';L'; piece. Then lay the main crossbars in, followed by the cross-t's. Put in all the full pieces of tile in first, then the cut pieces.
I'm pretty sure that they make recessed light for drop ceilings, you'll have to double check with your lighting retailer.
It's pretty simple really..
Just put some glue on the ceiling and glue the tiles onto them. For around the light fittings just use a knife to cut the shapes out.
I have installed these in my flat, as my lease didn't allow me to make holes in the original ceiling.
The size of joist you use will depend on how far you need to span - I used 2 x1 inch (deepest part upwards) as it was a bathroom and passageway. Fix length all round at the right level (give yourself the recommended clearance above the ceiling for the lights. Then fix cross pieces in the shortest direction at about 2 foot centres. I also fitted some lttle struts between the old ceiling and the new to allow for hammering.
I then used 3mm plywood across the lot, making sure any joins occured on a batten. This is lighter than MDF and amazingly stiff, and easy enough to cut. Prior to putting it up I primed and filled it whilst it was on the floor and glued some patches of plasterboard where the lights were going to go on the back.
Having added cables for the electric I then closed up the ceiling gluing and pinning as I went taking care to fill the joints between sheets. I then cut holes for the lights and wired them up. Hey bingo - a solid looking ceiling without compromising the original ceiling or adding significantly to the load on structure. You could paint it with fire retardant if that was a concern, but I daresay its no worse than putting paper all over the ceiling.
Ask a building company
you need to buy the L brackets that go around the perimeter walls. install 3 inches down from ceiling, then you can measure to figure out your center unless you dont mind having the ends uneven.install the main braces then the cross braces. attach to existing ceiling or floor joists and install the tiles. if you want to install pot lights you should buy tiles that are firm because the tiles that flex will not support the potlights properly
first and foremost you need a stud finder and some chalk line .
you need to mark out your rafters they are not always the same they tend to move around during construction .
you have about one inch to one and a half inch border around the top of your walls to fasten the drywall to. its important that you marl all of this off be for you start.
decide how low you want your drop ceiling to go and mark it off .
and tack up the bordering to the studs .
you need to mark off were you want your lights to go . allot of people start in one corner me i prefer to start in the middle but this takes allot of measurements and you have to make sure all of your lines flow .
now depending on the size of tiles you are going to use will determine were you hang your wire
you will need allot of wire so buy a big spool it is cheeper this way .
now you need to cut the wire long enough to have some left over . you can always cut off but cant add to .
hang all of the wire from the ceiling rafters then you can hang the spine .
on the spine it is important that it is in uniform so it is a good idea to have a piece of wood to use as a guild .
now the area between the spines you might have to alter unless it comes pre cut .
for future notice if you ever decide to paint the ceiling you need to paint both sides as it will bow if you only paint oneHow do I put a false ceiling up?
In a nutshell...
Start by going around the perimeter with an ';L'; piece. Then lay the main crossbars in, followed by the cross-t's. Put in all the full pieces of tile in first, then the cut pieces.
I'm pretty sure that they make recessed light for drop ceilings, you'll have to double check with your lighting retailer.
It's pretty simple really..
Just put some glue on the ceiling and glue the tiles onto them. For around the light fittings just use a knife to cut the shapes out.
I have installed these in my flat, as my lease didn't allow me to make holes in the original ceiling.
The size of joist you use will depend on how far you need to span - I used 2 x1 inch (deepest part upwards) as it was a bathroom and passageway. Fix length all round at the right level (give yourself the recommended clearance above the ceiling for the lights. Then fix cross pieces in the shortest direction at about 2 foot centres. I also fitted some lttle struts between the old ceiling and the new to allow for hammering.
I then used 3mm plywood across the lot, making sure any joins occured on a batten. This is lighter than MDF and amazingly stiff, and easy enough to cut. Prior to putting it up I primed and filled it whilst it was on the floor and glued some patches of plasterboard where the lights were going to go on the back.
Having added cables for the electric I then closed up the ceiling gluing and pinning as I went taking care to fill the joints between sheets. I then cut holes for the lights and wired them up. Hey bingo - a solid looking ceiling without compromising the original ceiling or adding significantly to the load on structure. You could paint it with fire retardant if that was a concern, but I daresay its no worse than putting paper all over the ceiling.
Ask a building company
you need to buy the L brackets that go around the perimeter walls. install 3 inches down from ceiling, then you can measure to figure out your center unless you dont mind having the ends uneven.install the main braces then the cross braces. attach to existing ceiling or floor joists and install the tiles. if you want to install pot lights you should buy tiles that are firm because the tiles that flex will not support the potlights properly
How many of you do more than acknowledge that Christmas is a false holiday?
More and more people are discovering Christmas Day is a false holiday, sculpted by Roman Catholics during the days of the Roman Empire to compete against other winter celebrations, including the original Christianity faith. Still, there are countless many who do not know or do not wish to learn the real truth for themselves. What is your stance on this subject and why?
Of those who acknowledge Christmas is not a true holiday, do you still celebrate it, or have you chosen to ignore it?How many of you do more than acknowledge that Christmas is a false holiday?
I no longer celebrate it, but I don't go around telling people they should stop. Most people want to question me first and because they ask I will show them the evidence. I don't understand how people attack those who don't celebrate it when we don't force it on them not too. People can be ignorantHow many of you do more than acknowledge that Christmas is a false holiday?
Just a pity neither your question nor the answer are based on the true historical facts but on anti-Catholic propaganda.
I am guessing your either a JW or a belief like the world tomorrow group. Now my question to you is by proclaiming your question does it make you feel better or are you just hoping to make others who celebrate Christmas feel guilty.Like others have already said we all know it is not Christ date of Birth and at the time of his coming birthdays were not celebrated so days of Birth were not important. So if you were born at that time they would have said you were born say for example during the reign of Pilate's first year. Historically the Church chose the solstice as the day to Celebrate Christ Birth and it had a very positive effect on converting Pagans. You can nit pick all you want and feel as self righteous as you like and have your normal day but i'll try and thank GOD for his Gift to us and try to make as many less fortunate as happy as i can including my family.
Your ';real truth'; is a bit off. Others have covered the reasons why quite well, and there's no need for me to repeat them.
Way to be a wet blanket, though. Tell you what: You go right ahead and have your own non-celebration, and enjoy that smug feeling of superiority.
By the way, the phrase ';More and more people are discovering ...'; is usually meaningless self-serving generalization unless it's backed up with more than just anecdotal hearsay. Infomercials use it quite a lot.
More and more people are being misled by the misinformation around on the internet.
Using the 25th December for Christmas was decided by Christians in Rome in the late 3rd century before it was tolerated by Constantine. There was no traditional Roman festival on this date, though the Emperor did start one, also late in the 3rd century. No-one knows which came first.
There are a number of possible reasons for this date. Most of them concern jewish traditions - many Christians at this time were originally Jewish or from a Jewish background.
Given the vast number of Roman festivals (a handful each month) it was impossible for a new Christian festival not to be at least near an existing pagan one. There is absolutely no historical evidence that the reason for choosing the date was anything to do with competing with pagan festivities. Especially as they avoided the major pagan festival of the time - Saturnalia.
As an aside, none of our specifically Christmas customs can be traced back to any pagan source, Santa - Christian, Christmas tree - Christian, Carols - Christian.
As an inheritor of puritan anti-catholicism, you are, of course, free to do or not do as you like. Anyone with a keen sense of history will enjoy celebrating the feast fo Our Lord as instigated by the persecuted Christians of Rome.
It's true that Christmas Day originally was celebrated to compete against all of the other religious celebrations of the day, but you're right, most people don't know this. However, today in America people who celebrate Christmas usually celebrate it for one of two reasons. First, there are the people who just enjoy the time of year. Santa Claus, Christmas cookies, toys, and just the basic ';peace on earth'; and all of that. Then there are people like myself, who enjoy all of the things I just mentioned but mainly want to celebrate the birth of Christ. Though we know He was not born on this exact day or even this time of year, it's a time for us to worship Him for coming down to earth. Think about it- Jesus, a holy God, chose to come down from heaven to a wicked and sin-filled earth, and only to die for us so that He might rise again in order to save us! How awesome is that?! So, even though this is not the original interpretation of Christmas, this is what it has come to mean to me as well as countless others today.
I celebrate it out of joy and thanksgiving for Jesus Christ and the opportunity to share the event with family, church and friends. Regardless of the day Jesus was born I am thankful for the Roman Catholics (though I am not Catholic) for carving out a celebretory day during a cold, dim and rather ungoldly time of the year (at that time and place anyway) to be a day of joy at the hope we have in Christ. I see so much meaning and symbolism there and am very glad to celebrate it! I also find Christmas hymns are rich with worship and meaning and even many of the secular traditions of giving and receieving can be incorporated into the meaning of Christmas.
Furthermore, my faith in Jesus gives me the freedom to celebrate certain holidays without guilt or fear of judgement. As a matter of fact, in the Old Testiment, God even marked certain days for celebration and feasting so that His people would have days of rememberance, sharing and joy! When I celebrate Christmas, I celebrate it joyfully. I do know the history of Yuletide, and I find it a rather sickening part of history that is what it is, history! That in itself I can be joyful about!
Why is it a false holiday? Is it because Jesus wasn't really born on December 25th that bothers you?
I think it makes good sense to have a competing holiday. As the pagans began to convert to Christianity, they were highly likely to keep Christian holy days and pagan celebrations. Not a good idea. So, the Church gave them a way to have a celebration at the time they were used to, and yet keep it completely Christian. Very logical.
We don't know when Christ was born. Pagans, Romans or anyone else can't ';own'; a day of the year. Anyone can celebrate anything on any day of the year.
I used to live near an old woman who was born in the late 1800's. She was the daughter of sharecroppers and no one had recorded her birth date. So, when she grew up, she picked a day and celebrated her birthday. She had a birthday celebration once a year, on a day of her choosing...just because it wasn't the actual day, it didn't detract from the celebration at all.
What is false about Christmas? It is when Christians celebrate the birth of our Lord and Savior. I could not care any less about Pagan holidays or if they have any similarity to Christian holidays. It just makes no difference. They can celebrate any way they want or any time. I just want a day to give thanks and praise to my Lord for His salvific work done for me and all humanity. Now, Christmas is not a true holiday for non-Christians and Pagans but that is none of my business because for me and my household we will worship and honor my Lord and Savior. God bless!
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
For christians every day should be Christmas..Actually most of them know that Dec25th is not the exact day that Jesus was born..But just to make it special a one day in a year maybe the Catholics chose that day..Im not against it..after all Christmas Season is all about giving and sharing the joy and happines with the near and dear..Y not celebrate it? in stead of analyzing and diggin deep into whether its a false holiday or not..If u beleive it,its false..if u dnt,u have the best christmas evr..happy christmas..God luvs u..May His light shine on u this christmas..:)
All holidays were thought up by someone somewhere to have reason to celebrate something so how is Christmas any different. It's no different than the winter celebrations that they are ';competing'; against. What's important is WHY we are celebrating and what we do to celebrate.
I don't understand your question.
1- there s nosuch thing as a non-catholic chrsitain
2- Jesus wwas born, he founded hi schurch the catholic church, he was crucified ied and was buied ans rose again from the dead -- these facts are well documentd
3- yes we did chose to celebrae his birthday to conicide with pagan traditions in order to overshadow them
Now which of these facts proves your assertion that chsritmas is a fasle holiday. Jesus was born and we celbrae his birth on Decemeber 25th.
Now whethter we celbrate Jesus's birth as we were hiding from offical roman persecution many of us literally underground below the city of rome in the catecombs is irrelevant. Eventully we converted the roman emperor constaine, and thus defeated teh rman empire as st' john predicted in the book of the apocolypse, and could therfore come above ground literally and figuratively.
But the Mass has not changed since jesus instituted it at the last supper. We celebrate it now jsut as wee did when we were hiding from the roman persecution. what is your point?
I disagree with you and I feel sorry for you, it's not a false holiday. We choose to celebrate the birth of Jesus on Christmas Day, you are really missing out on something special if you choose to ignore it
I celebrate the solstice. It just happens to coincide with the holiday that gets me days off work.
I ignore it, but not for any of the reasons you gave.
Celebrating the Birth of Jesus is No False Holiday. You are sadly misled.
And the angel said to them, ';Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of a great joy which shall be for all the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord';. . . . And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, ';Glory to God in the highest, and on the earth peace among men with whom he is pleased.'; (Luke 2:10,11,13,14)
';the star which they had seen in the east, went before them, until it came and stood over where the child was'; (Matthew 2:9). The position of a fixed star in the heavens varies at most one degree each day. No fixed star could have so moved before the Magi as to lead them to Bethlehem; neither fixed star nor comet could have disappeared, and reappeared, and stood still. Only a miraculous phenomenon could have been the Star of Bethlehem. it was like the miraculous pillar of fire which stood in the camp by night during Israel's Exodus (Exodus 13:21), or to the ';brightness of God'; which shone round about the shepherds (Luke 2:9), or to ';the light from heaven'; which shone around about the stricken Saul (Acts 9:3).
Worshiping Christ is proper according to the NT. Not only did the angels worship him (Heb. 1:6), but so are all creatures to worship him both in heaven and earth (Rev. 5:13,14). Furthermore, we are to give him equal honor with the Father (John 5:23). To worship Christ on any day is proper, including December 25th.
Remember the Reason for the Season and Celebrate the Lord our God.
Of those who acknowledge Christmas is not a true holiday, do you still celebrate it, or have you chosen to ignore it?How many of you do more than acknowledge that Christmas is a false holiday?
I no longer celebrate it, but I don't go around telling people they should stop. Most people want to question me first and because they ask I will show them the evidence. I don't understand how people attack those who don't celebrate it when we don't force it on them not too. People can be ignorantHow many of you do more than acknowledge that Christmas is a false holiday?
Just a pity neither your question nor the answer are based on the true historical facts but on anti-Catholic propaganda.
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I am guessing your either a JW or a belief like the world tomorrow group. Now my question to you is by proclaiming your question does it make you feel better or are you just hoping to make others who celebrate Christmas feel guilty.Like others have already said we all know it is not Christ date of Birth and at the time of his coming birthdays were not celebrated so days of Birth were not important. So if you were born at that time they would have said you were born say for example during the reign of Pilate's first year. Historically the Church chose the solstice as the day to Celebrate Christ Birth and it had a very positive effect on converting Pagans. You can nit pick all you want and feel as self righteous as you like and have your normal day but i'll try and thank GOD for his Gift to us and try to make as many less fortunate as happy as i can including my family.
Your ';real truth'; is a bit off. Others have covered the reasons why quite well, and there's no need for me to repeat them.
Way to be a wet blanket, though. Tell you what: You go right ahead and have your own non-celebration, and enjoy that smug feeling of superiority.
By the way, the phrase ';More and more people are discovering ...'; is usually meaningless self-serving generalization unless it's backed up with more than just anecdotal hearsay. Infomercials use it quite a lot.
More and more people are being misled by the misinformation around on the internet.
Using the 25th December for Christmas was decided by Christians in Rome in the late 3rd century before it was tolerated by Constantine. There was no traditional Roman festival on this date, though the Emperor did start one, also late in the 3rd century. No-one knows which came first.
There are a number of possible reasons for this date. Most of them concern jewish traditions - many Christians at this time were originally Jewish or from a Jewish background.
Given the vast number of Roman festivals (a handful each month) it was impossible for a new Christian festival not to be at least near an existing pagan one. There is absolutely no historical evidence that the reason for choosing the date was anything to do with competing with pagan festivities. Especially as they avoided the major pagan festival of the time - Saturnalia.
As an aside, none of our specifically Christmas customs can be traced back to any pagan source, Santa - Christian, Christmas tree - Christian, Carols - Christian.
As an inheritor of puritan anti-catholicism, you are, of course, free to do or not do as you like. Anyone with a keen sense of history will enjoy celebrating the feast fo Our Lord as instigated by the persecuted Christians of Rome.
It's true that Christmas Day originally was celebrated to compete against all of the other religious celebrations of the day, but you're right, most people don't know this. However, today in America people who celebrate Christmas usually celebrate it for one of two reasons. First, there are the people who just enjoy the time of year. Santa Claus, Christmas cookies, toys, and just the basic ';peace on earth'; and all of that. Then there are people like myself, who enjoy all of the things I just mentioned but mainly want to celebrate the birth of Christ. Though we know He was not born on this exact day or even this time of year, it's a time for us to worship Him for coming down to earth. Think about it- Jesus, a holy God, chose to come down from heaven to a wicked and sin-filled earth, and only to die for us so that He might rise again in order to save us! How awesome is that?! So, even though this is not the original interpretation of Christmas, this is what it has come to mean to me as well as countless others today.
I celebrate it out of joy and thanksgiving for Jesus Christ and the opportunity to share the event with family, church and friends. Regardless of the day Jesus was born I am thankful for the Roman Catholics (though I am not Catholic) for carving out a celebretory day during a cold, dim and rather ungoldly time of the year (at that time and place anyway) to be a day of joy at the hope we have in Christ. I see so much meaning and symbolism there and am very glad to celebrate it! I also find Christmas hymns are rich with worship and meaning and even many of the secular traditions of giving and receieving can be incorporated into the meaning of Christmas.
Furthermore, my faith in Jesus gives me the freedom to celebrate certain holidays without guilt or fear of judgement. As a matter of fact, in the Old Testiment, God even marked certain days for celebration and feasting so that His people would have days of rememberance, sharing and joy! When I celebrate Christmas, I celebrate it joyfully. I do know the history of Yuletide, and I find it a rather sickening part of history that is what it is, history! That in itself I can be joyful about!
Why is it a false holiday? Is it because Jesus wasn't really born on December 25th that bothers you?
I think it makes good sense to have a competing holiday. As the pagans began to convert to Christianity, they were highly likely to keep Christian holy days and pagan celebrations. Not a good idea. So, the Church gave them a way to have a celebration at the time they were used to, and yet keep it completely Christian. Very logical.
We don't know when Christ was born. Pagans, Romans or anyone else can't ';own'; a day of the year. Anyone can celebrate anything on any day of the year.
I used to live near an old woman who was born in the late 1800's. She was the daughter of sharecroppers and no one had recorded her birth date. So, when she grew up, she picked a day and celebrated her birthday. She had a birthday celebration once a year, on a day of her choosing...just because it wasn't the actual day, it didn't detract from the celebration at all.
What is false about Christmas? It is when Christians celebrate the birth of our Lord and Savior. I could not care any less about Pagan holidays or if they have any similarity to Christian holidays. It just makes no difference. They can celebrate any way they want or any time. I just want a day to give thanks and praise to my Lord for His salvific work done for me and all humanity. Now, Christmas is not a true holiday for non-Christians and Pagans but that is none of my business because for me and my household we will worship and honor my Lord and Savior. God bless!
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
For christians every day should be Christmas..Actually most of them know that Dec25th is not the exact day that Jesus was born..But just to make it special a one day in a year maybe the Catholics chose that day..Im not against it..after all Christmas Season is all about giving and sharing the joy and happines with the near and dear..Y not celebrate it? in stead of analyzing and diggin deep into whether its a false holiday or not..If u beleive it,its false..if u dnt,u have the best christmas evr..happy christmas..God luvs u..May His light shine on u this christmas..:)
All holidays were thought up by someone somewhere to have reason to celebrate something so how is Christmas any different. It's no different than the winter celebrations that they are ';competing'; against. What's important is WHY we are celebrating and what we do to celebrate.
I don't understand your question.
1- there s nosuch thing as a non-catholic chrsitain
2- Jesus wwas born, he founded hi schurch the catholic church, he was crucified ied and was buied ans rose again from the dead -- these facts are well documentd
3- yes we did chose to celebrae his birthday to conicide with pagan traditions in order to overshadow them
Now which of these facts proves your assertion that chsritmas is a fasle holiday. Jesus was born and we celbrae his birth on Decemeber 25th.
Now whethter we celbrate Jesus's birth as we were hiding from offical roman persecution many of us literally underground below the city of rome in the catecombs is irrelevant. Eventully we converted the roman emperor constaine, and thus defeated teh rman empire as st' john predicted in the book of the apocolypse, and could therfore come above ground literally and figuratively.
But the Mass has not changed since jesus instituted it at the last supper. We celebrate it now jsut as wee did when we were hiding from the roman persecution. what is your point?
I disagree with you and I feel sorry for you, it's not a false holiday. We choose to celebrate the birth of Jesus on Christmas Day, you are really missing out on something special if you choose to ignore it
I celebrate the solstice. It just happens to coincide with the holiday that gets me days off work.
I ignore it, but not for any of the reasons you gave.
Celebrating the Birth of Jesus is No False Holiday. You are sadly misled.
And the angel said to them, ';Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of a great joy which shall be for all the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord';. . . . And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, ';Glory to God in the highest, and on the earth peace among men with whom he is pleased.'; (Luke 2:10,11,13,14)
';the star which they had seen in the east, went before them, until it came and stood over where the child was'; (Matthew 2:9). The position of a fixed star in the heavens varies at most one degree each day. No fixed star could have so moved before the Magi as to lead them to Bethlehem; neither fixed star nor comet could have disappeared, and reappeared, and stood still. Only a miraculous phenomenon could have been the Star of Bethlehem. it was like the miraculous pillar of fire which stood in the camp by night during Israel's Exodus (Exodus 13:21), or to the ';brightness of God'; which shone round about the shepherds (Luke 2:9), or to ';the light from heaven'; which shone around about the stricken Saul (Acts 9:3).
Worshiping Christ is proper according to the NT. Not only did the angels worship him (Heb. 1:6), but so are all creatures to worship him both in heaven and earth (Rev. 5:13,14). Furthermore, we are to give him equal honor with the Father (John 5:23). To worship Christ on any day is proper, including December 25th.
Remember the Reason for the Season and Celebrate the Lord our God.
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